This is a podcast about human trafficking and modern slavery.

The guest is Matthew Friedman, and he is the CEO of the Mekong Club, which is an organisation that mobilises the private sector to take action against human trafficking and modern slavery.

In this conversation, Matthew reveals unsettling story after unsettling story of human trafficking, modern slavery and scams. And in and among it all, he explains how it could be possible that today there are more slaves than has ever been before.

Matthew talks about pig butchering, the rise of online fraudsters and scam artists, the geography of slavery and human trafficking, what its like coming face to face with the criminal underworld around all this. His experiences advocating on behalf of victims and working with the UN to ultimately becoming disenfranchised to the point where he thought more good could be done in the private sector and much more as well.

You can listen to the podcast here